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« Reply #15 on: June 01, 2011, 06:12:47 AM »

I'm sorry, but I don't think that assertion makes sense.

You can run any app given you have the supporting libs under any desktop. You prolly know that too. Apt-get, yum, yast, up2date w.h.y. will pull in all that you need for any app.

True, you've always been able to run Qt applications in any destkop.

As Mark puts it in his blog Qt apps on Ubuntu
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System settings and prefs, however, have long been a cause of friction between Qt and Gtk. Integration with system settings and preferences is critical to the sense of an application “belonging” on the system. It affects the ability to manage that application using the same tools one uses to manage all the other applications, and the sorts of settings-and-preference experience that users can have with the app. This has traditionally been a problem with Qt / KDE applications on Ubuntu, because Gtk apps all use a centrally-manageable preferences store, and KDE apps do things differently.

To address this, Canonical is driving the development of dconf bindings for Qt, so that it is possible to write a Qt app that uses the same settings framework as everything else in Ubuntu.

While he doesn't say that this is the purpose of Unity directly, it can be (by me at least) infered by
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The decision to be open to Qt is in no way a criticism of GNOME. It’s a celebration of free software’s diversity and complexity. Those values of ease of use and integration remain shared values with GNOME, and a great basis for collaboration with GNOME developers and project members. Perhaps GNOME itself will embrace Qt, perhaps not, but if it does then our willingness to blaze this trail would be a contribution in leadership.
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« Reply #16 on: June 01, 2011, 08:40:03 AM »

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right click > desktop settings > type > folder view
Yes, after all these months I've played with every setting. Those aren't the same icons as before, they aren't done in the same way. Often *.desktop files show up with that name, icons images are lost and the old icons didn't have plasma controls on them.

Also, file previews can be a bit odd. I don't know if they've fixed it, but checking folder view (which shows your desktop folder) would Not show file previews even when they were all selected. Selecting choose location and then selecting ~/Desktop (i.e. the exact same folder) manually would fix that. Took me a while to figure that one out.
http://www.pclinuxos.com/forum/index.php?action=printpage;topic=77932.0

The reason I don't know if they've fixed it or not is that all my desktops are blank of icons these days, I just don't bother with it anymore. When I set up new installs for folks I just do that without even checking I guess.
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« Reply #17 on: June 02, 2011, 04:03:01 AM »

File previews seem to work here, kde 4.3 on el6.  I can't speak for icons because I don't use them.  I've never been a big fan of a cluttered desktop.
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« Reply #18 on: June 02, 2011, 09:44:05 AM »

Yeah rji, dolphin previews always worked fine. It was just the desktop and only jpegs that would fail.

That does remind me of something else though, all the individual settings for previews. Most people don't want the same wallpaper on every dt, so you have to turn on individual settings. Even if you've set all the previews before, you still have to click down that whole check list for each desktop and then do it again for dolphin. Or, does anyone know of an option to set them universally as before, cuz I don't.
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« Reply #19 on: June 02, 2011, 06:38:44 PM »

I was talking about desktop previews, with jpegs even.  You have to remember that some distributions try to fix some things and break others in doing so.

Debian does that a lot.
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« Reply #20 on: June 02, 2011, 06:59:13 PM »

Sorry, misapprehended your post. Good point about the differences in how various distros compile packages. My experience of that bug was only with pclos (and I don't really venture away much to experiment). I only run pclos for desktop boxes and rhel/centos on servers, although I have checked out the latest ubuntu. I hoped I'd like Unity or have a use for it with some kinds of users, but... nope.
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« Reply #21 on: June 03, 2011, 07:50:23 PM »

I have to advocate against using CentOS until they sort out their security update issues, but that is neither here nor there.  Smiley
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« Reply #22 on: June 03, 2011, 08:41:55 PM »

Centos has a lot more than that to sort out lately, I agree. I took it right to the edge, but ended up paying for rhel again on one box in the end.
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