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« Reply #45 on: July 09, 2010, 06:02:05 PM »

Well its a bit lonely down here in the Antipodes. Usually when I am on-line at LI Forums there is nobody else active there. And after posting here my views on Panoromia jumped incredibly, from 0 to 2, which is an enormous improvement percentage-wise, ain't it!

To be fair I have viewed your thumbnails, but not the photos and I noticed that doesn't get counted as a "view" by the site.  So technically, it jumped to at least 3, and most likely more than that as I'd wager most people view panoramic photographs by the thumbnails because it is difficult to appreciate a photograph when you can only see a portion of it on your screen at any one time.

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You should be able to set compression level in your tiff output which will decrease the filesize.  My version supports LZW, packbits, and deflate compression.
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« Reply #46 on: July 09, 2010, 06:08:22 PM »

it is difficult to appreciate a photograph when you can only see a portion of it on your screen at any one time.

Ah, but by the time they are on the Internet they have been much reduced in size and fit easily on the screen on my system. They may have a + view that needs scrolling though. The thumbnails don't d justice to them.

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You should be able to set compression level in your tiff output which will decrease the filesize.  My version supports LZW, packbits, and deflate compression.

I'll have to look at .tiff compressions. Thanks for the tip.

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« Reply #47 on: July 11, 2010, 10:29:46 AM »

I've found lzw compression to be the best, you'll have to experiment to find what works best for you.
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« Reply #48 on: July 13, 2010, 03:14:13 PM »

Panoramio, Picasa, all sound the same to me  Grin   I view just about all your photos whether here, at LI , or Picasa. Forgot about Panoramio lately. Got to keep reminding us...  Undecided

... and don't stop posting pics! I found that learning to become a good photograph is 'seeing' photos and finding the elements you like that make a photo great.

Hi Jaws,

I'm glad that you like my efforts at digital photography and panoramas. Thanks for your comments here and elsewhere.

One of the great things about Hugin and the panoramas that you can create there-from is that you can be quite selective in how you crop the final picture. Since it is digital there is no limit to the number of shots you can take of a scene or of the ways that you piece it all together. It is so much easier to see the picture that you want, in the GIMP and on a computer screen, than out in the field where the beauty lies but the 'field of view', through the camera lens, is so limited.

Also, combining the power of the GIMP to touch up a photograph with the raw power of Hugin to stitch several shots together seamlessly, adds the power to create to the process.

Here are a couple of my recent compositions to illustrate that.

From this   and this 

to this Click for larger view.

With the clear, blue skies I was able to clone away the ugly power lines in the foreground, leaving the distant ones as they don't spoil the picture, and ended up with an appealing scene.

What I was actually there to photograph, though, was a new dwelling hastily dumped onto a bit of land that was carved off and sold about eighteen months ago. The power of Hugin to tell the story, power lines intact, is quite compelling, I think.

Click for larger view.

I'm thinking of putting together a basic tutorial of what I have learned about Hugin. There is lots of tutorial material out there but maybe something quite simple and basic might be of use. Yes/No?

Paul
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« Reply #49 on: July 13, 2010, 07:12:48 PM »

Definitely yes! Perhaps breaking it down further, 1 on Hugin and 1 on how you clone away power line. Great job.
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« Reply #50 on: July 13, 2010, 07:33:04 PM »

I'm thinking of putting together a basic tutorial of what I have learned about Hugin. There is lots of tutorial material out there but maybe something quite simple and basic might be of use. Yes/No?
Definitely yes! Perhaps breaking it down further, 1 on Hugin and 1 on how you clone away power line. Great job.

I say yes too!!!!   Your pics are very good!

I had a couple of panoramas I was working on that never seemed to end up correctly.... maybe your expertise will help me finish them. Looking forward to learning more!
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« Reply #51 on: July 13, 2010, 11:08:25 PM »


I say yes too!!!!   Your pics are very good!

I had a couple of panoramas I was working on that never seemed to end up correctly.... maybe your expertise will help me finish them. Looking forward to learning more!
 Grin

Ok, I will work on producing a tutorial, probably on my Wiki pages, and post back here when I have something up. Maybe some input from others, also, might help to make a more useful end product. I'd really love to see others using Hugin.

I seem to remember that it was one of your first efforts, MeeMaw, that got me started - scene at some kind of country fair, if I remember rightly.

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« Reply #52 on: July 14, 2010, 04:14:34 AM »

OK, here you go, my first write-up of a tutorial.

http://pgtips91.pbworks.com/Introduction_to_using_Hugin_panorama_tool

Comments and questions requested.

If you want to transfer to your site, once it is OK, that's fine too.

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« Reply #53 on: July 14, 2010, 08:36:58 PM »

Very nice Paul, good job with the tutorial. That's a neat wiki site you're using too.

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« Reply #54 on: July 14, 2010, 10:18:05 PM »

Very nice Paul, good job with the tutorial.

You like? OK, then I expect to see a panorama from you in due course! "Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery."

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That's a neat wiki site you're using too.

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It's free, so far, and I started using it as a way to document stuff I was discovering so that I would have somewhere to look back on when I had forgotten the details, which I certainly do at a rapid pace.

Linux Graphics Users has a Wiki, doesn't it? Once the tutorial is signed off as OK it should be copied there.

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« Reply #55 on: July 15, 2010, 01:31:40 PM »

It looks really good, Paul!!!

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« Reply #56 on: July 15, 2010, 04:46:51 PM »

While your camera is quite dated going by todays standards, the Kodak Z650 does have a nice feature set. Especially the EVF, which I couldn’t do without; one of the reasons I bought the G1. Your pictures look good too.

A couple of questions:

Does the sequence of the pictures matter with Hugin? R-L, L-R, center out?

I imagine if everything in the panorama is a distant subject there won’t be a problem with using the same exposure settings. But what if you have light and dark subjects in the panorama. Wouldn’t it be better to expose for each shot? If you use different exposures, does that work in Hugin?
For instance, if you’re shooting a double row of 4 exposures with the upper left first shot mostly sky and the lower part of the scene includes dark colored foreground buildings, you might underexpose the building if your first shot in the sky. Recovering detail in dark areas might be a problem.

I noticed you crop for the final panorama, do you work with full sized .jpgs? That has got to take up a lot of space, not mention the load on the computer. Do you recommend some minimum specs, power-wise, for a computer using Hugin without having to feel like you’re watching grass grow?

Thanks Paul

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« Reply #57 on: July 15, 2010, 11:48:51 PM »

While your camera is quite dated going by todays standards, the Kodak Z650 does have a nice feature set. Especially the EVF, which I couldn’t do without; one of the reasons I bought the G1. Your pictures look good too.

Yes, the Z650 was going for a very good price because it was already being superseded by a later model, which is partly why we got it. Also others in the family already were using it, so it was a known factor. The development in this technology is going ahead rapidly, though, so everything is soon out of date. In spite of its weaknesses, I like my Z650 and have done about 11,000 shots with it now. Compared with film or my first 'TakeIt' it's a dream come true.

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A couple of questions:

Does the sequence of the pictures matter with Hugin? R-L, L-R, center out?

I imagine if everything in the panorama is a distant subject there won’t be a problem with using the same exposure settings. But what if you have light and dark subjects in the panorama. Wouldn’t it be better to expose for each shot? If you use different exposures, does that work in Hugin?
For instance, if you’re shooting a double row of 4 exposures with the upper left first shot mostly sky and the lower part of the scene includes dark colored foreground buildings, you might underexpose the building if your first shot in the sky. Recovering detail in dark areas might be a problem.

I usually start with the left, bottom of what I want to take, then sweep to the right with about 1/3rd overlap. If I want to add the sky above, for example, I then take another sweep with just the horison a the bottom, starting from the same place on the left and going across to the right again. I don't think that the order matters so much to Hugin which can figure out the common points automatically with great accuracy, although just lately I've found that Hugin coughs up at this point and makes me put them in all manually, which is a real pain.

Included in Hugin are algorithms for matching the exposures between photos. It helps if they are close but small differences are compensated for by using the exif data to correct them. You can choose to include 'enfuse' with a panorama if the originals need adjusting. Sometimes I adjust them roughly, using 'Curves' in the GIMP and find that this gives a better result when there is a lot of variation in exposures. Enfuse tends to leave more unevenness in the sky, for example.

Also, when you have selected the images to combine you can set one of them as the standard for exposure as well as to be the centre.

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I noticed you crop for the final panorama, do you work with full sized .jpgs? That has got to take up a lot of space, not mention the load on the computer. Do you recommend some minimum specs, power-wise, for a computer using Hugin without having to feel like you’re watching grass grow?

Thanks Paul

~ Ed

You're quite correct about the file sizes being large, huge in fact. I've got 2 GB of RAM on this computer and still had to reboot to reclaim as much memory as possible to complete this task when using a large number of input images. I have also run out of space on the hard drive but have got around that by using a directory in my external hard drive which is 1 TB [1,000 GB] in capacity.

I have been setting Hugin to save in a JPEG file, with 100% quality, because of the size of files produced, but lately have been using TIFF with compression in order to keep as much information as possible. And the files are large - one recent one is nearly 28 MB. And during the processing Hugin produces lots of temporary TIFF files which are deleted after they have been stitched together, but you do need to have sufficient working space for these temporary files, too.

Then there is an enormous amount of processing as it looks for, refines and puts in a database all the matching points to stitch the photos together. Sometimes it is good to take a coffee break while this is going on, even with my core-duo CPU.

All in all, you do need some considerable resources for a large panorama. I'd recommend doing something like four originals, first, to check you system out.

I'll try and add this information to the tutorial in a section on system requirements.

Paul
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« Reply #58 on: July 16, 2010, 04:31:45 AM »

Postscript:

 I have modified the tutorial with this information now, so give it another read please.

I edited the post above but then decided to make it a new post so it comes to peoples attention more.

http://pgtips91.pbworks.com/Introduction_to_using_Hugin_panorama_tool

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« Reply #59 on: July 24, 2010, 01:07:24 PM »

A 4 shot panorama of the sky yesterday. Hugin is insanely easy as Paul pointed out. Only quibble is I had to crop most of the tree tops due to shooting on an up angle, which curves the ends of the panorama up. Haven’t quite figured out how to straighten the image in Hugin.  Smiley
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